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Re: PragerU....The Truth About Canadian Healthcare.... [Re: Tarquin] #14646624 03/09/20
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Karl, Canada is a big place, I love Canada, I have learned a lot, that is a small tip of the ice berg. Not pretending to know more than one does says a lot.


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Re: PragerU....The Truth About Canadian Healthcare.... [Re: Tarquin] #14646630 03/09/20
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One more thing about Canada. [Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


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Re: PragerU....The Truth About Canadian Healthcare.... [Re: Jim_Conrad] #14646637 03/09/20
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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Originally Posted by AB2506
Too true.




You obviously know nothing of the Utopia in which you live.


Hahaha. Tff, Jim.


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Re: PragerU....The Truth About Canadian Healthcare.... [Re: wabigoon] #14646648 03/09/20
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Originally Posted by wabigoon
It appears to me that some doctors in Canada move to the US to make more money.


I have known and practiced in a large clinic with a few. Good surgeons but wanted to be able to do enough surgery to be able to develop their skills to the maximum and get paid for it.


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Re: PragerU....The Truth About Canadian Healthcare.... [Re: Tarquin] #14646661 03/09/20
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Tarquin;
Good evening to you sir, I hope the day was a good one for you and this finds you well.

I'm going to be uncharacteristically brief as there's a Hunter Safety class I have to teach in less than an hour so I've got to slither off soon.

The issue I have with the video is that the gentleman says "Canada's" system is this or that.

Because healthcare is mostly provincially funded and broken down further is regionally managed, it'd be akin to me saying something like "American gun laws are this way".

We all know that state law differs state to state and in some cases county law will supersede state, etc. There is no such thing as "American gun law" other than in very, very broad terms, correct?

In the same way, there's no "Canadian Health System" other than in very very broad terms.

When I get back in a few hours I'll try to look in to see if anyone is interested in specifics, but overall one's experience in one part of Quebec may or may not mirror that of another person in another part of Quebec and it may not even remotely resemble our care level received here in BC.

Hopefully that made some sense and was less than totally confusing.

All the best to you sir.

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Re: PragerU....The Truth About Canadian Healthcare.... [Re: Tarquin] #14646770 03/09/20
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Those who hate the idea of getting sick, getting cured, and not going bankrupt, those people should be real thankful they are not saddled with the Canadian health care plan. In addition, they wouldn't be able to make all those insurance exec millionaires. It comes down to what makes you feel good.
Every time I have had to hurry into the doctor or the hospital, it has been an acute situation and I have been well cared for. When I needed to get stitched up, it happened right away. When I had broken bones, they got set right away. When my wife had cancer, the surguries, the chemo, and all follow up care was done efficiently and well. When my dad went in with chest pains and short of breath, he was teated immediatly and, with stent installed, was a new man within 12 hours. Same thing with an in-law in Idaho. The only difference is that the in-law probably won't live long enough to pay the bill.
Like all bureaucracies, the Canadian health care system is over-burdened with administrators and other deadwood and, at times, service sucks as a result but, on the whole, I think we are better served than our American relatives. I believe this to be the case but I don't expect those on the south side of the line to believe it. I do believe the last thing any country would want to do is replicate the current Canadian system but I also believe, by starting with a clean slate, a much better and more effective system could be created. I am just as certain that it wouldn't last; that's just human nature. GD

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My biggest problem with universal healthcare is that the public has to be the one who pays (through taxes) for the healthcare of those who do not look after themselves.

The vast majority of the cost to our healthcare is spent on people who make poor life choices and/or live dangerous lifestyles. The consumption of drugs, alcohol, smoking, over eating, lack of exercise, dangerous activities etc etc are by far the largest healthcare expense not to mention what is costs society in general. These people bear no direct financial responsibility for their choices but the taxpayer does. I don't mind a system that pays for those that are sick but not for those who are bent on their own destruction.

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As pay rates go down, you end up with more foreign doctors who are lower quality than what you started with. We are already seeing that in the US as ZeroCare and other regulation has made medicine less attractive as a profession.


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Wait times can be very long for tests or procedures. We have some doctors that you wonder how they could possibly have a license to practice medicine. A lot of screw ups with surgeries. We also have some very good doctors but if you need surgery or get put in the hospital it's hit or miss who you will get. Every province is different. We need a mix of public and private in my opinion. Quite a few people do go to the Mayo clinic if they can afford it.

Re: PragerU....The Truth About Canadian Healthcare.... [Re: grouseman] #14647467 03/10/20
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Originally Posted by grouseman
Yep, that's accurate. It'll be 14 months from diagnosis to surgery for me for a minor issue.
Years ago, a friend of ours from eastern Ontario Province had a pain in her leg... Took the docs SIX MONTHS to realize she had a broken leg and got her in a cast...

They can take socialized medicine and shove it...


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Re: PragerU....The Truth About Canadian Healthcare.... [Re: Tarquin] #14647564 03/10/20
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Flip side is I am around a number of seniors here in US who go in for all manner of aches and pains, cause its "free". Our system isn't sustainable, it needs to be blown up and taken back to the people who are using it, are paying for it. The amount of money spent on seniors is off the charts.

So someone pays in taxes during their lifetime of working and then expects every frigging healthcare related bill regardless of how much it costs to be free. And along the way, they don't want to wait more than a few days for an appt. Sounds really sustainable to me(sarcasm).

Have no idea of Canada's system, but I'll say our end of life care expenses are going to need trimmed hard. And that will be very hard for folks to wrap their heads around. For example, you spent your life in the "obese" category and now expect me to buy you hips and knees. How about this, the answer is no.

Re: PragerU....The Truth About Canadian Healthcare.... [Re: Redneck] #14647729 03/10/20
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Originally Posted by Redneck
Originally Posted by grouseman
Yep, that's accurate. It'll be 14 months from diagnosis to surgery for me for a minor issue.
Years ago, a friend of ours from eastern Ontario Province had a pain in her leg... Took the docs SIX MONTHS to realize she had a broken leg and got her in a cast...

They can take socialized medicine and shove it...

The worst case scenario always makes the news.

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Originally Posted by Redneck
Originally Posted by grouseman
Yep, that's accurate. It'll be 14 months from diagnosis to surgery for me for a minor issue.
Years ago, a friend of ours from eastern Ontario Province had a pain in her leg... Took the docs SIX MONTHS to realize she had a broken leg and got her in a cast...

They can take socialized medicine and shove it...

Meanwhile, it took Arizona doctors two years to figure out my aunt needed a hip replacement and her limp was not due to degenerative nerve disease. Poor diagnosticians are practicing everywhere.
I do not believe that provision of health care for individuals who make poor choices acounts for the bulk of health care costs. I believe it is an excess of admin costs and incompetence at that level. Still, when I see a 350 pounder walking with two canes, I can't help but wonder what they were thinking.
Senior health care costs are certainly a factor and I suspect a lot of seniors do visit the Dr. more than necessary. On the other hand, these are the people who got us here so it's hard to begrudge them some comfort. At 70 yrs old, I am rapidly approaching that demographic myself so I'll try to limit my health care system impact. I'll be quitting the off-road motorcycle riding within the next few years, I suspect. It's getting to where it takes me a couple tries to swing my leg over the seat then I have to psych myself up to kick it over. I've said before, the day I need to go to electric start is the day I'll have to quit! GD

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Re: PragerU....The Truth About Canadian Healthcare.... [Re: Tarquin] #14648174 03/10/20
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I’ve lived the American Dream


Started out as poor & humble as you could envision


Ended up at the bottom of the 1%


I realize we’ve been fortunate, not everyone chasing that dream gets there


But if our tax rates were as high as Canada it’s doubtful we could have achieved what we have


I’m cheering on the next poor sob starting out w not much but a Dream, a willingness to work long & hard

Liberty vs security? Give me liberty & the risks that come with it please


I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
Re: PragerU....The Truth About Canadian Healthcare.... [Re: kkahmann] #14648204 03/10/20
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Originally Posted by kkahmann
I have nothing bad to say about our system—and lots bad to say about the American system

Most of the "lots bad to say" about the American system comes from government meddling, whether that be in research, medical care or insurance/funding.


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Re: PragerU....The Truth About Canadian Healthcare.... [Re: Tarquin] #14648425 03/10/20
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But if our tax rates were as high as Canada it’s doubtful we could have achieved what we have

bravo, you have just pointed out the hallmark of socialism, and the cause of the extreme haves/have nots disproportion of power and wealth, something the leftists are desperately striving for


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